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i'm gonna tell you what people we might

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be early we might be late i don't know

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dr nolan's gonna tell us but i'll tell

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you what i'm your host dj you are back

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with calling all beings and i'm here

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with my co-conspirator my co-creator my

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brother from another

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money nathan good evening money what's

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up dj how's it going man oh my god i

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know how excited you've been for this

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and the response that we've gotten for

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this guest

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is i don't know i think

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yeah i think only louis lozando is the

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only person we've had even close to to

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this so yeah i've had people camping

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outside the house

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uh with like questions on poster board

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you know can you ask dr nolan

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yes me too

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it's wild man so without further ado

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this brother right here

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is a professor of pathology at stanford

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university and a prodigious researcher

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of the phenomenon he is fearless he puts

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his money where his mouth is so party

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people put those hands together

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for doctor

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yeah baby we're not playing around

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tonight no

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got all three of us the men in black you

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people have been wondering who it is

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it's that mysterious squadron that rick

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dodie talks about uh okay so nathan uh

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dr nolan and i are members of it so

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that's the right thing we'll just just

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start off that's where okay

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so anyway welcome dr nolan how are you

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sir

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great thank you for being here i'm uh

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for to the audience i'm just wearing

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these in

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in compassion and in commiseration with

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you know it it shows that you are a true

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team player gary i really like that

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um it's an honor to have you like i said

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uh i've gotten more people to hit me up

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for question actually even then even

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then when we had uh wonderful lou

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elizondo oh there we go here comes stay

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there we go okay so uh so dr noland that

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is our experiencer steph uh she is uh

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the the fifth member of the jackson five

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uh and we just gotta wait for uh michael

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and we gotta wait for tito and marlin

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but they'll be here shortly okay

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steph i had to put you on mute there was

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a little feedback happening i just uh

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want to draw your attention to it so

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uh dr nolan great to have you with us um

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i know you've been very busy i know

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you've recently uh you know been on

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vacation i i hope that was at least a

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little bit relaxing i know it wasn't

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maybe the perfect vacation you wanted

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but uh we're honored to have you with us

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this evening and just on a personal

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really grateful for what you are doing

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in this space and we are courage to kind

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of take this on i know it's not

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at shine a spotlight on but the fact

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that you've been willing to do that and

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kind of lead the way is uh it means a

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lot to to those of us who have an

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the renaming arrow better name yes

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that kirkpatrick is going to be the head

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direction that lou and chris

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so i'm just super excited and the number

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of uh let's say mainstream scientists

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who send me emails saying gary

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you were right

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do you keep and i told you so bored gary

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no but i do i do do quite a bit of i

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maybe not too distant future although i

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this mystery won't be really revealed

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say um first of all i think it's awesome

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think that this is coincidental or not

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that both you and my co-conspirator

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nathan both look like dr heineck

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is that just the jay allen connection

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other pathologists and and just people

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it's just being human

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rare bird among your colleagues what do

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scientists about it

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why it isn't obvious to them that it's

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something that should be paid attention

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inhibition that they're afraid of what

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other people think about them

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senior faculty member you know said some

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prize winner at one point oh that won't

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is something inside of me says i'm going

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to prove it to you

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it's like i'm not going to let you stop

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me and i know how to do it and so maybe

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before can it bring people together

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i'll get i'll get there uh but anyway

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experiencer group research using

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they have these electricity type static

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electromagnetic frequency change because

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that is being generated that you feel

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would be to get uh some appropriate

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group with an app that would download

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that data and correlate it to

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you know some observation that they made

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at the time

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right

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so i think that would be one way to look

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for the in the internal changes that

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might occur i mean you might not measure

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i mean the problem is we can't run

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around with

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a

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uh

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an emf detector right

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like because it's just the range of

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frequencies is so broad that there's no

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one detector that measures at all

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you've got to basically pick parts of

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the spectra

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or you would do what i think really um

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that calm kelleher

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often would talk about and was in all of

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those released um

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bass

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lose track um that basically using the

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human as the detection device

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um a lot of people out there have said

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um

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oh well they're basically just using

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humans as bait no that wasn't the point

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the point was that when something

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happens to a person

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consider that an event that is

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measurable and usable so there's that

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now i happen to have one of those

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detectors sitting over right here given

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to me by you know some of the usual

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suspects

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and uh nothing unusual has showed up my

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brother has one he gets a lot of unusual

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stuff

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uh but um i mean he's much more of an

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experiencer than i am

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and so i you know i why not let's do it

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i mean we do know that there's a that

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there's a specific frequency associated

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with some of these

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alleged craft i'll keep saying alleged

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just because

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jason paul velveto out there is always

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looking for something

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[Laughter]

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uh too he's written me about me

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something like 15 times

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it's like he's obsessed with me

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you're not my type

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he's attracted to you

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this is part of his dating ritual you

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well you know so if you are saying that

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this is something that it's possible

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that we we could test

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you know like a uh group

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like group experiments basically on

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experiences non-experiencers i mean i've

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got a few people that are already on

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board so we may be contacting you

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well you know i mean the thing is that

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it's it's

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what you want to do is is just set up to

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design what a study would look like and

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over what time frame and what kinds of

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people are you know you need what's

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called inclusion and exclusion criteria

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i would treat this like a clinical trial

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right exactly you know where you

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basically very carefully monitor who's

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in and who's out of the cohorts

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uh and then decide what uh is a real

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signal and what's not

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um

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and

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it right it's gotta be double blinded

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in other words people have to have

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detectors that they don't know aren't

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working

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right yep yeah i mean that's how you

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that's how you would do it that's how

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you would convince people that the

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signals that you're seeing

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are real or are not

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right right it's important to test on

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non-experiencers as well to see is there

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an actual difference that people are

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claiming

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dr nolan i i like to look at things from

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a scientific perspective also a lot of

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people don't know that

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up here uh and so you know i just wanted

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to run this by you because i had this

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experience and basically after

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interacting with experiencers and then

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going back and then finding that my

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workout clothing smelled like a

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combination of minestrone soup and

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french fries so i'm curious if you've

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experienced anything like that now

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you're dealing with

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experience only uh

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only found wine and filet mignon

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okay all right so it so all right so

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maybe we it's a different scent but

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there could be something there at least

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that we could look at so nathan take it

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away sir

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yeah so well i did have a prepared

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question but i want to stay a minute on

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this experience or topic and

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because it is so important to many

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people and you've mentioned before you

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have some experience in your family

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and maybe some of your own experience

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and we've had a lot of conversations

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with experiencers through the show

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and

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you probably know how very personal it

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becomes for someone that's had an event

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like this who's seeking answers and do

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you do you have this sense that we

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through efforts like your own and

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through what we're seeing in in the

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public discourse that we're getting a

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little closer to some of these answers

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or are we really just at the very

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beginning we're kind of unraveling more

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questions what's your sense there i mean

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i don't think we're getting closer to

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answers but we're getting closer to

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admitting that the question is worth

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asking

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right and admitting to people who have

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had the experience that they did

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experience something real what it means

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is yet to be understood

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right i mean this is something that john

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mack

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approached in the very same way and so

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if anything we're relearning the lessons

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he already taught

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but

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it's

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part of i think the good part of social

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media is it gives people that

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opportunity to connect that otherwise

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they would have been siloed

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you know in iowa or somewhere else where

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they couldn't meet these other

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individuals and talk through it but i

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think what's going to happen or need to

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happen at some point and i've seen a few

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papers begin this

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uh where

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you know we need to make a list of the

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kinds of people what their professions

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are what their

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uh you know what their experiences have

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been and start to collate uh the

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totality of these experiences

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with

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just a pure data collection

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mentality about it

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because it's it it

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we can go back through the literature

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and find many examples of what have been

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written but that's all biased in in many

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ways that's

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things that have been self-reported

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and then

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chosen by whoever the writer was to

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write about it so there's a lot of bias

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inherent in that data so you need a much

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more open

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data set that's more objectively

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collected

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and then analyzed

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uh and so i think that i think that's

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the best thing that's come out of it

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nathan that we've

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admitted that there's it's worth looking

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at the government finally daddy has

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finally told us that it's okay to do

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this for money whatever you know if

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you've got money or daddy issues you

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you know

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seeing or experiencing

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has a reality whatever that reality is

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right it's validating and uh you know on

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that point i've always talked about this

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disclosure as really an unfolding

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process you know there's kind of a

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we're setting permission for each other

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by by laying some of these things on the

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table and saying

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this is valid and then in response the

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public is saying well if that is valid

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then what about this and that becomes

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more valid and so it's a recursive

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process it's not just a one and done

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i want to pass it over yeah sorry go

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ahead

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okay uh kev so you haven't met uh some

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of the best hair on the entire show is

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uh some one of our guys that works with

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the children and that is kevin

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what's up what's up

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welcome how's it going can you guys hear

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me

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yeah

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it sounds great

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cool what's up did you use conditioner

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for for dr nolan

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actually just

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just did i just got home yeah i know

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um

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so we're you're talking about data and

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i'm big on data i i work with kids with

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diagnosed with autism since 2006.

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so um i think i i would have to agree

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with you i think that we should should

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be more scientific and objective um i i

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mean

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first of all for the listeners i want to

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go over what an operational definition

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is so operational definition applied to

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data collection so it's a clear and

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concise

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detailed definition of measurement

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the need for operational definition it's

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like it's fundamental when collecting

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any type of data in science otherwise

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we're collecting data on

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nothing so alexander he gave us a

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working operational definition of what a

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uap is with his five observables and

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that's based

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on

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specific observable and measurable data

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that's what he's calling for so does

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having that operational definition do

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you think it devalues

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data that was collected prior especially

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those um

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that might have been selected using

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interpretation and speculation

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yeah no i don't think it devalues it i

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think it it gives us a chance to

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recontext it you know to go back and say

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well did did

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which of these did it meet but one of

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the things that lou is doing and i've

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come to meet a fair number of people

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let's say on the inside who have

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um they have a way of talking about this

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stuff with a lot of acronyms

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uh that are very militarily inclined

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uh which is fine because that's how

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that's their job that's their profession

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and so they're applying that approach to

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they love lists

550
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and they love things that they can check

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off and fix it in categories the only

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thing i would add to

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lou's list

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is a number six

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other

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wow

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as a bucket into which we throw

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things that didn't fit those

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for later contacting to make them six

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seven eight and nine

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right i think that's the only thing that

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is missing from

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the five observables because there might

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be a sixth observable that

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we just haven't really noticed yet right

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sort of the ropes feldi and the known

567
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,640
unknowns and the the known knowns the

568
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,960
known ones right now right i i also

569
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,720
think we could expand on that to say

570
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,120
that humans just in general not even

571
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,799
only military people they want to put

572
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,960
something in a box and when they're

573
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,200
they're looking at something that they

574
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,919
have no box to put it in that's when

575
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,400
either something positive can occur

576
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,080
positive meaning a discussion like this

577
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,880
and something negative could be uh

578
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,880
saying it doesn't exist it didn't happen

579
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,559
it's not real

580
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,080
yeah a lot of that is our culture of

581
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,640
reductionism also you know we tend to we

582
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,240
tend to do that that's just how we view

583
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:54,240
everything

584
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,000
yeah i know i i agree it's um

585
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,320
you know when i look at all of the

586
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,080
numbers of well

587
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,760
here's one way to think about it there

588
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,760
is so much data we're going to be

589
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,919
throwing a lot of it away

590
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,919
right i mean just look at the number of

591
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
sightings that are occurring

592
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,840
you know every day i mean not all of the

593
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,840
videos that are put up

594
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,440
are hoaxes

595
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,919
and they seem to be put up by credible

596
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,760
people and it's just like okay well if

597
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,760
it's a hoax who's who cares i mean

598
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,480
you're not getting that many views so

599
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,960
all of this data now and so i think we

600
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,320
can be

601
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,640
uh conservative in what we are going to

602
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,679
include

603
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,280
at the beginning because you need a

604
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,240
small set that is absolutely invaluable

605
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,039
uh that you can then move forward with

606
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,600
and then make it bigger and and and and

607
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,280
bigger in terms of the

608
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,720
the opportunity

609
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,760
um

610
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,200
you know i i

611
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,200
i know from other

612
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,240
let's say places that

613
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:56,159
there is so much data already on the

614
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,280
inside

615
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
that if any of that were to get outside

616
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:02,080
it would keep several research

617
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,200
institutes

618
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:05,520
full-time occupation

619
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,400
wow

620
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,080
amazing and we're building a data set

621
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:10,000
right here so far we have workout gear

622
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,360
that smells like french fries and

623
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,280
minestrone filet mignon and i thought

624
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,440
nathan was gonna say oh mine smells like

625
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,480
a monte cristo but uh actually

626
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:19,440
we

627
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,960
very proud of her and that is our

628
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,919
researcher uh a study of uaps the host

629
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:33,760
of deb's data dojo right there at the

630
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:37,120
bottom of your screen deb hey there it's

631
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,039
good to finally get to talk to you

632
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,400
actually i've talked to you a couple of

633
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,240
times but at least i get to talk to you

634
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,440
here yay very exciting you're awesome

635
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,120
um

636
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,799
so i guess i'll go into my first

637
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,120
question my first question was that um

638
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:53,919
it's been said that the cia came to you

639
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,279
to do the research related to the brain

640
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,400
and to study the i can't say it i'm not

641
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,600
even going to try to say it i want to

642
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:04,000
say that

643
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,360
you i've tried so hard to say it i

644
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,080
cannot do it i'm not going to do it now

645
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,330
yes

646
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,320
[Laughter]

647
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,799
oh damn titanium

648
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,679
okay

649
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,960
one day one day

650
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,120
it's all good i was i was wondering if

651
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,799
you could tell us

652
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,440
um if they had you

653
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,360
do an nda and if there's some

654
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,440
information that working with the cia

655
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,919
you were just not allowed to convey and

656
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,440
even why it is you were allowed to

657
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:35,679
convey what you did

658
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:38,960
um no i was i mean i was asked to keep

659
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,600
it the information private

660
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,559
because

661
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,799
it was about individuals

662
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:47,039
uh and you know sort of a hipaa

663
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,320
compliance

664
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,919
kind of rule because some of the

665
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,520
individuals names

666
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,400
were

667
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,600
revealed to me because i asked

668
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,320
to meet them i wanted to hear from them

669
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,000
and you know one of the things and this

670
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,360
was related to one of the other

671
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,880
questions uh

672
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,679
steph that you had asked about um

673
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,240
you know measurements on humans

674
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,080
what they asked me to do and the reason

675
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,480
they came to me was not to look at the

676
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,600
brain um was to

677
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,159
utilize one of the instruments in my

678
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,520
laboratory

679
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:22,000
that had been developed for measuring

680
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:23,120
blood

681
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,279
events it was called cytoph mass

682
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,120
cytometry it was something we developed

683
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,880
that allowed you to look deeper into the

684
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,480
immune system than anybody could and

685
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,600
still is

686
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,880
the high-end

687
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,440
instrument for this kind of purpose

688
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,240
um

689
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,240
and so that was why they came because

690
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,000
they wanted because many of the

691
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,880
individuals who had been hurt

692
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,880
uh had experienced what you would call

693
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,279
inflammatory events i mean if you you

694
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,679
know i was shown some pictures of of

695
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:54,159
like red spots you know down somebody's

696
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:55,279
back

697
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,149
fully called inflammatory events right

698
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,360
some sort of inflammatory signature

699
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,799
and so there's all kinds of immune

700
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,360
system activation events that occur

701
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,480
during this

702
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,360
and the general class of of signals that

703
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,520
are generated during wounds and things

704
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:16,640
are called

705
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,039
you know i think appropriately alarming

706
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,440
sort of a general class of proteins are

707
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,679
called alarmins and they get secreted

708
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,039
you might hear the term cytokine

709
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,039
occasionally and they turn things on in

710
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,880
cells and so they wanted me to see if i

711
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:33,039
could see any evidence of that

712
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,120
um and uh part of the problem was that

713
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:39,440
most of the people who were brought to

714
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:40,240
me

715
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,039
were

716
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:43,279
uh

717
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:49,909
though

718
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,149
it seems oh there it goes okay it's back

719
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,360
um you know it's it's if i were to if i

720
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,840
were to look for a a wound repair

721
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,840
signature in you

722
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,679
20 years after you

723
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,679
fell down and skinned your knee

724
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,720
it just i won't see it it's too long

725
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,600
so

726
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,600
part of what uh

727
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,400
we were trying to set up at the time

728
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,880
was to for people who would be multiple

729
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,279
time experiencers in this or we expected

730
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:23,840
for instance would go back on the ranch

731
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,399
that if there were an event that

732
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,360
occurred in an acute manner

733
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,279
that we would rapidly be able to collect

734
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,080
their blood and do the studies

735
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,080
uh and so that was what we had set up to

736
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,159
to move forward with

737
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,919
um and so that was the reason they came

738
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,279
the the brain

739
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,080
imaging happened probably only i mean we

740
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,760
had the brain images for quite a while

741
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,200
but it was really only after about three

742
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:48,399
or four years

743
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,760
that when in looking at the images

744
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,640
uh

745
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,880
we had thought it was damage and then we

746
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,399
realized it wasn't there was plenty of

747
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,159
damage in their brains

748
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,840
right in several of these people that we

749
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,960
looked at um but uh

750
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:05,279
there was a commonality that we saw in a

751
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,320
couple

752
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,159
that we thought was damage but was

753
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,760
really just this increased neuronal

754
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:11,279
density

755
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,399
um

756
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,919
and that was the caudiputainment and

757
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,919
that sort of what that spun off from

758
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,039
that

759
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,520
i mean and i want to hopefully i can

760
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,840
stamp out a a

761
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,520
a misapprehension

762
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,720
probably from my not saying it correctly

763
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,159
previously

764
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:29,600
the

765
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,240
experienced did not cause

766
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,080
the neuronal density

767
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,559
that was pre-existing

768
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,720
that pre-existing neuronal density in

769
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,960
the caudate pataman interface

770
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,399
is now recognized by many people it's

771
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,600
standard

772
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,799
the caudate is involved in intelligence

773
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,440
and intuition dead stop

774
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,440
right so we

775
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,320
inferred that before we had even seen

776
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,760
the literature

777
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,279
based on

778
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,919
two of them and we we basically made an

779
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,600
educated guess

780
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:08,240
two of the individuals in the cohort we

781
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:11,840
had looked at were super high-end remote

782
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,390
viewers

783
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,679
[Music]

784
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,720
and so

785
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,440
i see remote viewing and intuition as

786
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,320
almost the same thing you are

787
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:24,960
coming to a conclusion based on sparse

788
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,919
data you're using some

789
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,200
elements of your circuitry in your head

790
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,799
with just

791
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,200
you know slight data here or there to

792
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,480
put it all together and come to the

793
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,760
right conclusion

794
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:40,080
that's intuition you know right out of

795
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,200
the box

796
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,120
and so it wasn't until we started

797
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,880
looking into the literature

798
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,120
that uh we realized that there was

799
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,600
extraordinary evidence for this and then

800
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,559
we've since i have since

801
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,679
uh basically got a postdoc and he's

802
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,120
working in a lab

803
00:30:03,750 --> 00:29:59,760
at harvard i pay for him

804
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,760
and um he has we have replicated kit's

805
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,720
original

806
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,919
findings

807
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,480
uh on an independent cohort

808
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,840
showing uh a caudate to intelligence and

809
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,760
capabilities relationship

810
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,120
so it was all there

811
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:18,240
and it was it it was all there because

812
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,200
of

813
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,919
those two remote viewers

814
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,720
it's it's when you have the extremes

815
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,880
that you can figure out what normal is

816
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,720
or the the meaning of what's going on

817
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,679
with normal and i mean i think kevin's

818
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:34,559
children that you work with autistics

819
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,399
they're an extreme uh that has a lot of

820
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,039
value i mean there's some incredible

821
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,000
abilities in many of these autistics

822
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,399
uh and so

823
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,720
you know it it unfortunately ends up for

824
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:51,120
many of them being a

825
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,480
hindrance

826
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,520
but

827
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,080
there's it's part of what i think of as

828
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:57,840
the as the human

829
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,519
profile of genetic diversity and so you

830
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,360
have to diversify

831
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,720
and sometimes unfortunately the

832
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,559
diversity ends up coming together in a

833
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,640
bad way but the ones that are just a

834
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,640
little short of the edge of the of the

835
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,159
bell curve

836
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,399
those are the geniuses

837
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,679
right they're the geniuses on the

838
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,840
autistic side and they're the geniuses

839
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,679
on the schizophrenic side

840
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,519
you know you go a little bit too far

841
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,679
and you know you fall off the cliff and

842
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,279
you have problems

843
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,519
right but that

844
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:28,960
um

845
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
that diversity is is necessary so what's

846
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,320
fascinating about both autism and

847
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,480
schizophrenia is that when you look in

848
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,120
the brain as to which areas of the brain

849
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,880
are altered

850
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,120
uh or there is some what you would it's

851
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,960
called pathology but i think that's a

852
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,080
the wrong kind of word i don't want to

853
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,760
be all woke and everything but

854
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:48,720
um

855
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,519
it is uh the caudate containment is

856
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,600
damaged in these individuals

857
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,799
so again coming around my brain as being

858
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,840
incredibly important

859
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,600
for perception

860
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,399
and integration of information from your

861
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,640
immediate surroundings

862
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,760
uh and this is where i've posited

863
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,440
complete speculation

864
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,320
that

865
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,240
this is where whatever the antenna is

866
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:16,159
that the remote viewers

867
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,120
use

868
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,840
integrate information and it's overlaid

869
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:22,399
onto one or more of the sensory systems

870
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,600
uh inside of these individuals heads and

871
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,039
somehow it reaches perception

872
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,480
and um you know the what i've

873
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,279
you know again also speculated that

874
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,640
if you

875
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,080
if that's true and there are proteins

876
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,399
that design people's brains in certain

877
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:45,120
ways that creates better antennas let's

878
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:46,080
say

879
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,039
uh

880
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,080
those proteins have genes

881
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:53,120
and those genes are heritable

882
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,480
which means you should be able to track

883
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,360
the genes if you get a sufficiently

884
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,240
tight cohort of individuals who have it

885
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,559
and specifically families

886
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:06,480
family genetics is

887
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,679
is it is absolutely essential for this

888
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:12,320
you just you increase the signal

889
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,440
and so

890
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,480
what got me all excited about this was

891
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,840
that

892
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,640
uh in our cohort we had a couple of

893
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,880
husband-wife pairs

894
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:25,039
both of whom had it

895
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,080
even though

896
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,080
it seems to be only found on average at

897
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,559
about 1 in 200 individuals so here in a

898
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,640
cohort of 20 people

899
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,799
you had two pairs of husband wife who

900
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,799
both had it and their and at least one

901
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,720
or more of their children had it the

902
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,760
statistics just doesn't work for that

903
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,720
right i mean it's it's one in 400

904
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,720
20 times 20 for two people coming

905
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,559
together out of a

906
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,600
uh

907
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,960
it's just pure you know it's just how

908
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,519
you how you do it but then to have two

909
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,159
groups of them it's 400 times 400 which

910
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,240
is i don't know 16 000 or something like

911
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,320
that or 160 000.

912
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,480
so the chances are are low

913
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,559
for that which again it just implies

914
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,720
genetics and once you you find it in the

915
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:07,840
parents and then you find it in the

916
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,000
children i mean that's sort of game over

917
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,720
so why

918
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,879
gary i have a a question from the friend

919
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,520
of the show but i have another friend

920
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,000
that also wanted to ask this question

921
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,480
related to the caudate potamin

922
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,839
and

923
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,079
i think what he's asking because i don't

924
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,679
have it here on a spreadsheet anymore um

925
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:33,280
is

926
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,040
viewers specifically do you have a data

927
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,960
set that would reflect whether there's

928
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,720
an enlargement of the brain or a

929
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,040
different shape or anything relative to

930
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,399
the caudate potamen about remote viewers

931
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,760
specifically

932
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,200
no we don't have enough we don't have

933
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,800
enough data but this is the reason

934
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,720
though for doing the studies with the

935
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:54,240
harvard group

936
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,200
is that

937
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,520
what we've done is we we now have

938
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,200
identified uh online databases for mri

939
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,240
images where many of these mri images

940
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,760
are associated with metadata which is

941
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,760
tests of people's

942
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,760
you know intelligence fluid intelligence

943
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,839
crystallized intelligence emotional

944
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,200
states

945
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:17,040
et cetera these are all online databases

946
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,910
um

947
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,190
so the first study that we did uh kit

948
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,800
and another uh

949
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,720
neurophysiologist

950
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,880
uh did it by hand it did a

951
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,880
double-blinded measurements of the of

952
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,480
the density to make sure the kit wasn't

953
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,839
fooling himself

954
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,760
so i did not do any of that anymore so

955
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:45,440
we we

956
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,359
basically uh adapted uh an ai program

957
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,119
for what's called auto segmentation of

958
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,000
images and so if you imagine that

959
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,920
um when you do an mri you're kind of

960
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,920
seeing a shadow of the of the shapes and

961
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,000
objects inside of the brain

962
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,560
this program can can find where the

963
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,280
basal ganglia is can basically create a

964
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,119
contoured surface

965
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,400
around where that is can measure then

966
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:12,800
the volume can measure the surface area

967
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,440
and with the right running of the mri

968
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,240
you can actually get the density of the

969
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,520
neurons there

970
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,920
and then you can also with something

971
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,079
called tensor uh you can actually look

972
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,920
at the neural tracts between these areas

973
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,960
of the brain

974
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:28,000
so

975
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,760
while kit focused only on the basal

976
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,280
ganglia because of

977
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,800
the caudipotamia because that's what we

978
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,079
noticed

979
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,280
this is now

980
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,359
and he did it by hand

981
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,640
this is now a fully objective ai driven

982
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,880
map of the whole brain

983
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:47,119
all the interconnections that you could

984
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,920
want

985
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,160
um it worked we already published one

986
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,640
paper on using it we've got a better

987
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,839
version of it

988
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,200
now

989
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,160
beginning to find is that there's

990
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,079
several different parts of the brain

991
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,440
that seem to be important it wasn't just

992
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,960
the caudiputainment because if the

993
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,880
caudiputainment is collecting more

994
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,240
information or generating more

995
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,400
information then the wiring coming and

996
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,880
going from that has to be better you

997
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,960
know it's got to have more bandwidth

998
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,119
and whatever is receiving or giving that

999
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,280
information has to be different

1000
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:18,640
so we're getting all of these

1001
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,839
correlation maps of how the brain

1002
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,760
operates and but we're doing it with

1003
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,520
normals

1004
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,280
and the important part about doing it

1005
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,040
with normals is it establishes a

1006
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,359
credibility in the field

1007
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,680
that you now have three or four papers

1008
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,320
that you've published that said here

1009
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,680
it's normal

1010
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,119
here's the people who are referencing

1011
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,119
our papers people are beginning to use

1012
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,839
our algorithms and programs to do it you

1013
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,560
establish credibility and then

1014
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,320
and then we start getting some grants

1015
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,599
and then we go for the cool

1016
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,440
people

1017
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:59,430
viewers i'm going to call them

1018
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:00,480
uh

1019
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,200
high-functioning individuals

1020
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,520
you know or even make the even say that

1021
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,400
they claim that they have this ability

1022
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,040
um we think it might be

1023
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,560
hysteria

1024
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,000
you know we'll we'll put that in the

1025
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:20,240
grant say it might be both

1026
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:20,960
and

1027
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:27,200
review the review process i mean you

1028
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,240
usually will get something back and

1029
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,920
they'll say oh this is rubbish and then

1030
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,240
you call up and you and you whine uh and

1031
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,599
you go you know you just go back and

1032
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,200
forth and that's just how it works

1033
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,640
doesn't matter whether it's mainstream

1034
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,400
science or or this

1035
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,560
or you find somebody wealthy enough who

1036
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,480
can fund it out of their pocket and

1037
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,640
there's lots of those people actually

1038
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,640
nathan no i'm just kidding

1039
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,040
all right all right so uh this uh this

1040
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,280
question right here gary is on behalf of

1041
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,680
experiencers uh this is our friend maxie

1042
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,400
mccabe who's a multiple time experiencer

1043
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,240
one of them was

1044
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,320
kind of like the altitude over his house

1045
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,720
as the one that you've described but

1046
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,480
what he's asking is let me make sure i

1047
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:07,599
get this right white areas of the brain

1048
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,280
were described as similar to ms ms can

1049
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,800
cause potential nerve damage affecting

1050
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,839
sexual

1051
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,560
sensation slash function where any

1052
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:21,119
subjects i think what he's asking where

1053
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,079
um

1054
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,839
i think he's thinking that other

1055
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,599
experiencers that he's communicating

1056
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,560
with uh after having these prolific

1057
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,359
close contacts are having an issue with

1058
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,560
uh the sexual organs and feeling and

1059
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,599
that they've lost and he's wondering if

1060
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,320
you know if if you've been able to uh

1061
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,480
find that in any of your studies

1062
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,640
that was that question was never asked

1063
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,079
nor that information offered by

1064
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,760
the individuals

1065
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,480
to my knowledge um and i don't

1066
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,680
i have begged kit many times and he says

1067
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,280
one day when he dies he'll give me all

1068
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,640
the data but he doesn't want to do it

1069
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,880
uh until then he's promised me his

1070
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,160
server

1071
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,280
has said that's fine um

1072
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,599
but no but i mean i i think

1073
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,280
seriously though

1074
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,160
when i say that it looks like ms

1075
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,040
ms is kind of random it's

1076
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,040
immune inflammation

1077
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,440
that managed to start attacking the

1078
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,319
myelin sheath somewhere and it's just

1079
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,760
kind of random around the head like

1080
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,960
metastasis of cancers in the body they

1081
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,119
kind of go in certain places

1082
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,440
but they're you know more or less you

1083
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,359
know can show up anywhere

1084
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,480
and this damage but the damage that you

1085
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,319
see in an ms

1086
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:43,119
mri and i have a family member with

1087
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,240
ms

1088
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,119
um is basically dead tissue it's scar

1089
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,400
tissue

1090
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,520
and so

1091
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,319
an mri of some of these individuals who

1092
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,440
were hurt

1093
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,359
uh in the brain

1094
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,240
uh

1095
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:58,319
it is dead tissue it's just there's just

1096
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,200
no

1097
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,119
two ways about it

1098
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,560
so

1099
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:03,920
when i say it's like

1100
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,640
say it's like ms it's i'm actually not

1101
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,400
speaking when i say that to the general

1102
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,640
public i'm speaking to a doctor

1103
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,960
who understands exactly what i mean when

1104
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,280
i say that and so they understand oh

1105
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,040
this is damage

1106
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,040
boom and it and it's it's randomly it's

1107
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:21,599
sporadic and it looks like

1108
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,640
this

1109
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:23,599
um

1110
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,400
so

1111
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,599
i i've not seen anything directed but

1112
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,119
that was what attracted us to the

1113
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,240
caudate because that was the commonality

1114
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,000
that was the dense region the white

1115
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,000
region that looked like damage but then

1116
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,079
we looked closely we realized it wasn't

1117
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,920
damage

1118
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,599
good i could tell all those people who

1119
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,319
think that i'm did i have brain tissue

1120
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,920
damage that it's not

1121
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,880
so i'm i'm glad thank you uh

1122
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,880
let's pass it over to our uap

1123
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,880
experiencer step

1124
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:55,119
perfect segway so

1125
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,359
um the implant subject i have been a

1126
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,079
very up close experiencer myself along

1127
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,720
with my mother my sister and my brother

1128
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,480
back in the 80s

1129
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:07,280
so

1130
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:08,079
my

1131
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,440
question to you is regarding mri scans

1132
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,319
i personally have had mri scans with and

1133
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,119
without contrast through those i have

1134
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,760
found two artifacts

1135
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,760
told to me by the doctors that they are

1136
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,119
artifacts

1137
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:26,000
one is shaped this as an upside down

1138
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,960
tear

1139
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,040
so it's here but upside down on my left

1140
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,520
side and then also i have another one

1141
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
that looks like a size of a grain of

1142
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,480
rice within a circle okay

1143
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,560
i'm going with the

1144
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,200
idea that they are just artifacts but

1145
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,760
i'm taking this on with further testing

1146
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,720
and different scans other than an mri

1147
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,720
where and how deep

1148
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,920
so on the left side it would be over my

1149
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,920
chest area

1150
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,480
and then it's also on my left side

1151
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,960
almost on the outer wall

1152
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,119
okay so but these were both in different

1153
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,440
dates and different scans and this is

1154
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,920
this question isn't about myself

1155
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,640
it's just letting you know hey look i am

1156
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,599
researching this on my own terms

1157
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,280
not being an alarmist i'm not trying to

1158
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,520
scare anybody but i am doing the the

1159
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,839
work myself to try and figure it out

1160
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,280
and i know that you're an experiencer

1161
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,319
yourself so i'm curious as to if you've

1162
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,960
had any mri testing as well but i'd like

1163
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,640
to know what your thoughts are on those

1164
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,760
two artifacts that they have found

1165
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,079
right so um

1166
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,079
pathologists and radiologists generally

1167
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,920
call those um

1168
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:38,160
phentomas

1169
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:39,520
phantom

1170
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,400
some

1171
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,400
uh cancers you know they're not but

1172
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,839
they're they call them phantoms and

1173
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,680
they're they generally don't think of

1174
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,960
them as anything to worry about

1175
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,520
especially if on subsequent scans they

1176
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,359
haven't changed

1177
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,800
where they are or their size um

1178
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,079
and uh

1179
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,680
you know usually the placements in where

1180
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,440
they're found can tell you

1181
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,680
for instance that it's not cancer if it

1182
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:03,280
were found in the lung

1183
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,560
those are generally thought of as what

1184
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,710
melomas

1185
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,480
um and it might have been an incipient

1186
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,920
tuberculosis

1187
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,880
cyst

1188
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,839
that was

1189
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,520
encased by the immune system and that

1190
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,800
was the end of it

1191
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,680
right

1192
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,040
so um

1193
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,680
you know all i would say is if i would

1194
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:23,520
say this to anybody out there

1195
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,400
um

1196
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,480
if you do decide that you want to get

1197
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,160
something removed

1198
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,440
uh make sure you do it with a doctor who

1199
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,319
sends it off to pathology first

1200
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,440
right don't

1201
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:38,240
have it out and send it to

1202
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,040
you know

1203
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,400
mufon

1204
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,160
right and i had a situation where

1205
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,480
somebody did exactly that

1206
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,640
and then they sent it to me

1207
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:49,920
and i said okay this is nice where's the

1208
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,119
path report and where's the consent form

1209
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,359
oh do we do we have oh we don't have

1210
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,599
that i said okay what's your address i'm

1211
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,240
fedexing this back to you tomorrow

1212
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,760
right i can be arrested for you know

1213
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,560
especially if that person gets

1214
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:07,520
cancer

1215
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,560
later

1216
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,880
nobody thought to test it

1217
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:12,079
so

1218
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,359
you know i

1219
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,560
this whole notion and idea of implants i

1220
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:18,800
find fascinating

1221
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:22,160
but again we don't have

1222
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,480
an approach to

1223
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,839
systematically examine them

1224
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,520
right i mean one of the things that i'm

1225
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,280
hoping to be able to set up at some

1226
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,480
point uh and i when i say at some point

1227
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:36,319
meaning it's actually coming

1228
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,119
um

1229
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,040
is a pipeline

1230
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,000
of analysis uh a regimen that things can

1231
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,400
be put in the front end and the data is

1232
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,040
systematically correct collected

1233
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:49,920
and then you know analyzed uh because

1234
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,270
lear doing it here and somebody else

1235
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,640
doing it there another person doing

1236
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,839
there and said it looks like this and it

1237
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,839
looks like this and it moved and it had

1238
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,920
tendrils and you know and it was talking

1239
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,960
to me or whatever and it moved

1240
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:05,520
underneath my skin

1241
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,480
i just can't i can't deal with all of

1242
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,040
that it might all be true

1243
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,720
but it's not something that is

1244
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,839
going to do

1245
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,359
anything except

1246
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,480
get

1247
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,560
anybody who you want to pay attention to

1248
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,880
it to roll their eyes

1249
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,880
um and so

1250
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,800
you know that's been my

1251
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,880
my my push that i

1252
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,560
i mean but i had a conversation about

1253
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,950
someone just the other day somebody like

1254
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,640
really up there

1255
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,240
and um

1256
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,800
i said look they say well we should be

1257
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,319
able to find transmitters and stuff in

1258
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,680
it it's emitting radio frequencies

1259
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,480
well maybe it's not really anything real

1260
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,160
it's just a hunk of metal and it's

1261
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,680
emitting a radio frequency because it's

1262
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,200
acting like a battery because you've got

1263
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,560
it in liquid

1264
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,319
you've got two different metals

1265
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,400
and it's acting like a battery and so

1266
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,760
you're getting a slight emission of a

1267
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,599
signal is not anything right so let's

1268
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,079
just forget about that but if you were a

1269
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,319
higher level intelligence and you wanted

1270
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,640
to make an implant are you going to make

1271
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,319
it so friggin obvious that it looks like

1272
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,079
an rfid chip

1273
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,400
probably not you'll make it look like a

1274
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,160
big blob of gunk

1275
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,480
and then you'll hide the circuitry

1276
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,559
you know scattered throughout the thing

1277
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,800
and you'll use deception

1278
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,240
to throw

1279
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:28,880
people off

1280
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,839
so it's you have to approach it i mean

1281
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,839
jacques told me this once a long time

1282
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,800
ago um you know a scientist approaches

1283
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,440
the problem and if they get an a 95

1284
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,160
answer uh they're happy and they're done

1285
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,000
an intelligence officer approaches a

1286
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,839
thing and if they get a 95 of the answer

1287
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:48,400
they think that they've been given it

1288
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:58,790
and they're really interested in

1289
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,390
we're we're getting

1290
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,640
we're getting you frozen up dr nolan and

1291
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:03,520
i don't

1292
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,040
like the one we're thinking of i think

1293
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:09,440
it's the fda with all the food talk so i

1294
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,589
i don't know why i'm breathing it's uh i

1295
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,119
have a pretty good computer but i bet

1296
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:20,079
you um anyway so

1297
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,960
uh

1298
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,280
you know i think

1299
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,920
the point is that um again it's just

1300
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,000
let's just do it systematically

1301
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,079
right let's have inclusion exclusion

1302
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,319
criteria with these things something

1303
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,599
which has high confidence and uh you

1304
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,920
know and and then because i can tell you

1305
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,160
any of these analyses are expensive as

1306
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,040
hell i mean they really are

1307
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,880
it's

1308
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,760
get an expert on a certain

1309
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,359
i mean they have to have trained on that

1310
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,520
machine for years usually

1311
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:53,760
and you need about 10 different machines

1312
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,800
each with different capabilities

1313
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,920
and so

1314
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,119
you know you don't want to be going to

1315
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,359
10 different labs

1316
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,839
so we've identified one place that does

1317
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,800
have

1318
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,559
10 of these machines and then we'll sign

1319
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,400
a deal with them

1320
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:11,119
that will allow us to bring all of the

1321
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,510
well you know as soon as uh to do it

1322
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,440
systematically oh there you go i'm sorry

1323
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,960
you froze i thought you were

1324
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,480
sorry yeah

1325
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,280
all right um let me pass you over to uh

1326
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:27,920
i'm here okay

1327
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:32,950
it's an internet thing that's what it's

1328
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,670
uh but it's already red when i drink

1329
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,680
yeah uh we're gonna have to prevent you

1330
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,359
i mean if you're on cough medicine i'm

1331
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:45,119
sorry we're going to have to not allow

1332
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,600
you to drink wine tonight doctor

1333
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,960
[Laughter]

1334
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,200
all right money nathan all right here

1335
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:53,119
cheers to dr nolan money nathan it's all

1336
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,160
you brother

1337
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,559
yeah so i mentioned the top of the show

1338
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,240
a lot of folks kind of reach out to me

1339
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,640
with their their questions and this one

1340
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,280
kind of kept popping up so

1341
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,200
a lot of folks are are wanting me to see

1342
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,960
if you might be willing

1343
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,680
to speak more specifically to

1344
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,200
tim taylor from american cosmic um and

1345
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,760
you know he seems to be someone who

1346
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,599
you know spends a lot of time either

1347
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:19,359
looking for or spending time with prime

1348
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:20,319
con

1349
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,240
and you may be familiar with the story

1350
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,000
where you know he provided them with

1351
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:28,160
either a metal or a quasi crystal or

1352
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,920
something which helped them help to

1353
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,680
identify whether they were

1354
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,000
experiencers or not experiencers

1355
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,079
uh does that resonate with you in any

1356
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:38,640
way or you heard that story or i know

1357
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,829
sorry to the audience i had covert a

1358
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:45,440
couple of weeks ago

1359
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,640
um

1360
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,480
i mean i know tim very well

1361
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,680
he's a very close friend um great guy

1362
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,319
and really dedicated to all of this uh

1363
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,680
you know i think his interest in this is

1364
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,640
because

1365
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:00,480
you know from his position

1366
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,160
on the inside uh he has seen things

1367
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,200
right

1368
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,960
you know and um that like many of these

1369
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,400
individuals you know they've they've

1370
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,400
gotten close to the legacy programs

1371
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,520
close enough that they know it's real

1372
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,160
um and so

1373
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,200
i think like i know him specifically

1374
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,359
he is very interested in the spiritual

1375
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,960
aspects of things

1376
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,520
uh and so you know he converted to

1377
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,960
catholicism

1378
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,520
and all uh and so he's looking for

1379
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:33,119
meaning

1380
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,000
and

1381
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,400
you know we're not getting meaning from

1382
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,920
most of the rest of our lives and we're

1383
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:40,079
not getting meaning from even going to

1384
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,040
church

1385
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,680
and so we're looking beyond and so i

1386
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,160
think he's looking for fellow travelers

1387
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:48,000
and he's bringing them together and

1388
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,280
because he knows he can't have these

1389
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,880
conversations

1390
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:53,040
you know at the airspace corporation

1391
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,400
right

1392
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:57,440
you know it's uh i mean you can more now

1393
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,240
but

1394
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,079
you know six or seven years ago

1395
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,400
when i visited him at the aerospace

1396
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,640
corporation uh

1397
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,200
and uh i we couldn't talk we couldn't

1398
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,720
talk about any of this stuff

1399
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,680
i i couldn't even go to the bathroom

1400
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,680
at that place without a guard standing

1401
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,440
outside the door wow

1402
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,520
you know that's how locked down this

1403
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:19,280
that place is

1404
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,319
incredible

1405
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,880
well just as a follow-up to that uh

1406
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,319
question thank you so much for speaking

1407
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,839
to it um you know we've heard reports of

1408
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,000
anomalous physiological and

1409
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,800
psychological effects following exposure

1410
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,480
to some of these purported exotic

1411
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,880
materials such as like electrical

1412
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,240
sensation

1413
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,000
increases in

1414
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,640
the experience of synchronicity the

1415
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,720
download term that you hear within the

1416
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,760
ufo circles uh just to kind of speculate

1417
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,599
here for a second are these metals

1418
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,920
potentially biotechnologies or do they

1419
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,280
possess any kind of

1420
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,680
biological properties to your knowledge

1421
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,160
i i couldn't tell you i i wouldn't even

1422
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,559
begin to speculate um

1423
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,839
you know i think

1424
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,880
maybe

1425
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,960
okay speculate

1426
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,079
uh

1427
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,319
if i were to um

1428
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,760
think of them i would think of them as

1429
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,520
focused devices

1430
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,240
right that you focus on something and

1431
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,559
you think about it and it could just as

1432
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,880
well have been a rock from your garden

1433
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,319
and somebody told you it was from an

1434
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,880
alien craft and because you focused on

1435
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:23,760
it

1436
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,480
viewing sense where people will focus on

1437
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,559
just random numbers

1438
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,319
and this was jacques valle's idea of how

1439
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,200
to do it uh indirect remote viewing

1440
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,760
there's a different term for it but um

1441
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,760
that that might be part of what's going

1442
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,960
on here

1443
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,800
and it's kind of like the you're

1444
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,960
allowing yourself

1445
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,880
to

1446
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,559
activate

1447
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:51,440
you know i mean in in clinical trials

1448
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:52,400
uh

1449
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,280
the

1450
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,680
you know you can give somebody a fake

1451
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,119
pill

1452
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,680
and they'll get better right

1453
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,119
so wow

1454
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,440
this might be similar i don't know i'm

1455
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,760
just guessing sure now there might be

1456
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,720
amongst all of these things a true

1457
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,040
biotechnology or a true

1458
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,800
technology

1459
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:15,200
but whatever that is it's at a much

1460
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,160
deeper

1461
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,240
level of uh

1462
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,960
technical capability than than

1463
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,880
i think we even if we were to look at it

1464
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,240
and know that's what it is that we'd be

1465
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,160
able to understand it

1466
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,680
so there's this uh sort of

1467
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,599
intentionality this mentation kind of

1468
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,280
quality to it

1469
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,400
maybe even

1470
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,920
the idealistic

1471
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,359
metaphysical model rather than the

1472
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,200
materialist metaphysical model is that

1473
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,119
something that you've entertained or

1474
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,799
yeah sure i mean

1475
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,200
i'm willing to enter so

1476
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,960
even before i got into this area people

1477
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:47,280
would ask me when i would go give talk

1478
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,480
somewhere and i'd go talk to the

1479
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:50,079
graduate students and postdocs at lunch

1480
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,200
and they'd say

1481
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,880
how are you so creative that you've got

1482
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,319
all these patents you can come up with

1483
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,319
all these ideas blah blah

1484
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,440
and

1485
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,760
i you know i say well

1486
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:01,280
what i

1487
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,599
list you you to be a good scientist you

1488
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,520
need to be able to list all of the

1489
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,000
possibilities and i would make the joke

1490
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:12,000
all the way down to micro dwarves that

1491
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,980
run the universe

1492
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,799
[Laughter]

1493
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,960
they are the least likely

1494
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,720
to be true

1495
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,119
but they should be on the table

1496
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,200
right and then you need to rank you need

1497
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,040
to be able to mentally rank order all of

1498
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,359
those things and then mentally find a

1499
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:28,880
reasonable cutoff that said everything

1500
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,480
below this is you know untestable

1501
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,400
not wrong just untestable

1502
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,799
here's a region that is

1503
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,119
possible and testable but i can't do it

1504
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,280
right now and here's the region that is

1505
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,760
testable and accessible

1506
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,559
um

1507
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,839
and

1508
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,359
that is

1509
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,119
i think an important part of all of

1510
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,520
these discussions is that being able to

1511
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,839
iterate all possibilities

1512
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,079
uh and then rank order them and just put

1513
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,440
some things to the side to say i can

1514
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,799
focus on this

1515
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,040
i mean that's all i've

1516
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,280
never wanted to do with this which is

1517
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,359
why the you know the skeptics of the

1518
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,640
world and i won't even name them because

1519
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,319
i don't want to give them like saying

1520
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,839
the devil's name three times and then we

1521
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,680
don't do that here we go

1522
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:13,680
yep exactly

1523
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,109
you know

1524
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,760
and so um

1525
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,440
i i think that

1526
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:28,400
as long as you do that

1527
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,400
it armors you against the skeptics

1528
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,520
because you can always say

1529
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,280
diplomatically i didn't say that's what

1530
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,880
i said it was

1531
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:39,040
i'm just saying it's a possibility

1532
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,119
right so it's you're the one who keeps

1533
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:46,319
harping on one conclusion

1534
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:47,280
but

1535
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,950
claimed was a conclusion

1536
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,400
and so that's why you just need to walk

1537
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:58,079
back and step back and say no all the

1538
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:59,440
other possibilities

1539
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,160
you come up with some ideas now

1540
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:03,920
right you know come up with ideas that

1541
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:06,799
aren't just not

1542
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,190
excellent well thank you think they're

1543
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,720
to expand their boundaries

1544
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,119
when midwest can admit certain things

1545
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,119
like this

1546
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,040
i will respect his

1547
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,599
opinions until then he's not a scientist

1548
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,400
not happening not i've i've said this

1549
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,920
since we started the show nathan's heard

1550
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,079
me say i said i don't not like the guy

1551
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,400
because he's a skeptic we need skeptics

1552
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,480
we need that that i mean that it but

1553
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,319
he's intellectually dishonest in his

1554
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,079
approach because he's already decided

1555
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,920
what it is and everything is geared

1556
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:44,880
toward proving it's not what

1557
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,760
in in many cases very credible sources

1558
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,400
have said it is based on actual data

1559
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,200
like tic tac it's so absurd to argue

1560
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,440
that if people will take that approach

1561
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,160
in any phd program at stanford he would

1562
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,520
be booted out in the second year and

1563
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,200
given a masters

1564
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,960
i could care less what he thinks let me

1565
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,640
move on to kevin because i actually do

1566
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,960
care what kevin thinks

1567
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,599
here's the thing i'm a skeptic you know

1568
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,079
but it doesn't nathan's a skeptic

1569
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,670
you know i'm willing to move beyond all

1570
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,359
that too i think that's just a product

1571
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,960
of culture too a lot of that um

1572
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,480
honestly so

1573
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,440
i'm looking down the future and

1574
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,440
i want to know that do you think that

1575
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,839
understanding this phenomenon

1576
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,760
is going to excel us in a direction in

1577
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,599
history that we as a species are

1578
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,359
naturally destined

1579
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:41,910
i think it'll get us it accelerates yes

1580
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:45,200
i i think i think with without

1581
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,400
this continuous observation

1582
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,640
we would probably still

1583
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:51,920
move along

1584
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,920
a path of materialist science

1585
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:56,799
right

1586
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,319
but these observations tell us that the

1587
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:01,839
universe might be just a little bit

1588
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:05,359
bigger than we thought and so it's

1589
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,040
forcing people to more quickly come

1590
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,359
to different conclusions

1591
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,200
about things and maybe it's i mean and

1592
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,520
it is accelerating us

1593
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,119
in different ways i mean where was the

1594
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,040
first idea for warp drive whoever

1595
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,440
thought that up it wasn't it wasn't

1596
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:23,280
star trek and they you know they

1597
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:24,480
promoted it

1598
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,440
uh

1599
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,760
put it into the zeitgeist and everything

1600
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,040
but um

1601
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,799
came from science fiction but it also

1602
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,839
came from you know i i will bet that it

1603
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,520
came from some observations that

1604
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,520
somebody made or thought about that

1605
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:39,440
things could you know

1606
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,119
a species could move faster than light

1607
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,880
once einstein said this is the limit

1608
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,040
somebody asked why

1609
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,640
and when you started writing this

1610
00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:53,280
science fiction story they said well

1611
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,480
for my science fiction

1612
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,079
story to work somebody's got to get from

1613
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,319
the other side of the galaxy to here

1614
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,559
faster than light

1615
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,960
and so

1616
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,680
ben was born the notion of

1617
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,440
warped space

1618
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:11,040
that we could travel in

1619
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,319
so i think that that's what we're seeing

1620
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,920
right now we're seeing objects that do

1621
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,440
we can't do

1622
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,359
and i mean that's what had

1623
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,520
how put off for instance come up with

1624
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,040
the first equations

1625
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,200
that showed you could warp space and

1626
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,920
explain why these objects were bright

1627
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,240
the equations told you why the object

1628
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:29,760
was bright

1629
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,079
basically that because

1630
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,359
uh infrared when it passes through this

1631
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,640
field

1632
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,079
would be up

1633
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:41,280
ticked in frequency and energy infrared

1634
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,079
light became bright white light

1635
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,839
right and actually

1636
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,799
uh

1637
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,720
damaging um

1638
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,839
radiation

1639
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,960
and it's it's all right there in the

1640
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,319
equations

1641
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,280
uh and so that it fell out of

1642
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,960
the equations and fell out of the

1643
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,040
observation that okay

1644
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,359
if it's moving that fast and we want to

1645
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,400
bend einstein's equations

1646
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:06,720
to the problem

1647
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,040
these assumptions that einstein made

1648
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:11,599
that this is a limit and and that's a

1649
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:12,559
you know

1650
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,280
that's a divide by zero let's say that

1651
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,280
that's not a divide by zero

1652
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,839
right let's put a number to it and

1653
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:21,280
suddenly

1654
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,559
warp drive falls out of it

1655
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,640
and now kubiaire has come up with

1656
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,240
another version of it and five other

1657
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,400
guys are going with all

1658
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,640
other versions of it all that takes

1659
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,720
standard theory and just show that if

1660
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,040
you modify if you assume that the amount

1661
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,680
of energy is accessible then you can do

1662
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,400
it

1663
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,559
but nobody ever assumed that the amount

1664
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,799
of energy was possible

1665
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,280
so you just say well i know i can't make

1666
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,880
that amount of energy i'll just assume

1667
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,000
it can be done somehow and if i do that

1668
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,960
this is what i can accomplish with it

1669
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,799
right and so then people say well oh

1670
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,359
well 10 to the 10

1671
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,599
herbs or whatever of energy

1672
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,680
is that's way too much but here i can

1673
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,280
change the equations and i can make it

1674
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,200
10 to the 7. oh i can change it and i

1675
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,200
can make it 10 to the four

1676
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,760
right and so i mean when i remember

1677
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,599
talking with hal about it a long time

1678
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:15,680
ago now five or six years

1679
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:17,359
and i said so

1680
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:19,520
he's i we were sitting in an l we were

1681
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:23,280
in an elevator um actually in vienna and

1682
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:24,400
i said well

1683
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:26,079
how how are they doing so i don't know i

1684
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,440
said but they're getting energy from

1685
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:29,440
somewhere they said they're cheating

1686
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,720
aren't they i said yeah they're cheating

1687
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,599
they're cheating rule

1688
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,240
that it's very very important point that

1689
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:40,319
i'm sorry kev go ahead i was just going

1690
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,760
to say the function seems to be that

1691
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,599
they're just confounding

1692
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,839
all rational thought you know

1693
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,000
yeah all the sciences and yeah it's

1694
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,359
always been that way really if you look

1695
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,520
back through history it's always been

1696
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,720
founded

1697
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,400
it i want to say though the important

1698
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:55,920
point you said though

1699
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,240
for laypersons out there because i'm

1700
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,160
coming from the aviation side of things

1701
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,079
is what you said is having a certain

1702
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,960
amount of energy to move something or to

1703
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:07,839
make something stay in one position for

1704
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,760
hours and hours at a time or move

1705
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:12,240
rapidly

1706
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:13,839
it's very difficult for people to

1707
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,000
conceptualize why it's why that's uh why

1708
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:20,720
that's not a thing that we're able to do

1709
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,760
at this point in time uh even a laser a

1710
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,200
lot of people don't know like firing a

1711
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:27,920
laser can't just uh like on star trek

1712
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,880
just have multiple sort of iterations

1713
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,039
right there's a big charging process

1714
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,119
that goes on in the lasers fire and i

1715
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,520
know from the aviation side of the house

1716
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,280
the difficulties that that we've had

1717
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,240
with it so um so anyway thank you for

1718
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,240
pointing that out uh there's multiple

1719
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,720
aspects of these craft that are

1720
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,440
so that are absolutely mind-blowing that

1721
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,359
people don't understand they think you

1722
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,440
can just do it and it's like no you

1723
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,520
can't just do it you can't just fly

1724
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:58,079
airplanes yeah i mean you know i mean

1725
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,200
there's a couple of different ways you

1726
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,039
could imagine it you either have one

1727
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,599
generator that creates the field

1728
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:06,240
or let's say that that takes too much

1729
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,200
energy

1730
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,440
to create such a large field

1731
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:11,599
the other idea that's now out there is

1732
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,480
you have multiple tiny engines

1733
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,920
next to each other

1734
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,599
that when the fields get close to each

1735
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,119
other they converge

1736
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,160
and so you don't have to extract

1737
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:23,760
extraordinary amounts of energy you just

1738
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,880
need to get a little bit of energy

1739
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:26,640
locally and then you basically build a

1740
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:28,240
wall around you

1741
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:30,160
and but again what falls out of the

1742
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:31,839
equations is

1743
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,119
momentum-less travel

1744
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,599
right that's right momentum inertia

1745
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,280
instantaneous acceleration and

1746
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,960
deceleration

1747
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,640
trans medium

1748
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,079
it all falls out

1749
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:46,240
once you do that one thing

1750
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,119
so

1751
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,640
you know i

1752
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,839
whatever these things are they don't

1753
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,760
care that we see them

1754
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:54,160
and maybe they don't care that we can

1755
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,440
that they say oh well they're never

1756
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,200
going to be able to do this for another

1757
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:59,119
10 000 years so

1758
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,160
we're just going to go about our

1759
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,400
business whatever their business is

1760
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,839
um

1761
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,319
you know i wrote a i wrote a white paper

1762
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,559
for the senate intelligence committee on

1763
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,599
this whole thing and um

1764
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:13,200
you know i

1765
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:14,079
gave

1766
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,599
the opportunities because i'm more

1767
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,920
interested in the opportunities

1768
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,960
uh

1769
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:21,119
that are there but i said all of this

1770
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,640
speculation

1771
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,240
at the end i said all of this

1772
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,799
speculation leaves out the most obvious

1773
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,319
question

1774
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:30,640
what is their intent

1775
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,680
towards humanity

1776
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,440
right so again

1777
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,240
it again it's just i don't

1778
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,799
it's real whatever it is so what's its

1779
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:42,400
intent

1780
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:44,240
uh and

1781
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,720
you know we could circle this question

1782
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,079
endlessly

1783
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:50,559
with positive and negative

1784
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,760
vibes about what it is or might be

1785
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,039
um

1786
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,760
it isn't making it obvious for us

1787
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,839
uh you know you can go down a rabbit

1788
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:02,319
hole of being scared to death

1789
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,400
about it or you can say well

1790
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,640
we're okay for now

1791
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,319
and that's the one i'm gonna take and

1792
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:12,640
say we're okay for now until somebody

1793
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:13,839
otherwise

1794
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,880
uh i'm excited because as a scientist

1795
01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:18,480
once i know something

1796
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:19,950
i'm not interested in anything right

1797
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:22,960
[Laughter]

1798
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:28,789
and understand the next thing right if

1799
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:31,760
you can imagine hussein bolt or usain

1800
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,480
bolt in the starting blocks of a 100

1801
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,880
meter race that is debs at the bottom of

1802
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,680
your screen right now take it away debs

1803
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,079
so my question is actually something

1804
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:43,839
i've touched on a little bit with you

1805
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:44,839
before

1806
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,400
about psychiatrists therapists and

1807
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,760
doctors why and scientists actually we

1808
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,599
would greatly appreciate that you have

1809
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:55,760
come forward but why do you think these

1810
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,160
other people are shy about getting

1811
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,160
involved and what do you think we can do

1812
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,710
um

1813
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:07,280
well why are they shy uh

1814
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,319
well they're just scared of what other

1815
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,079
people think about them

1816
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:11,680
you know maybe they're at a position in

1817
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,359
their lives where um

1818
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,160
they are monetarily insecure

1819
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:20,319
um you know i think one of the things

1820
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:22,720
that has made it possible for me

1821
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:24,319
to come out as

1822
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:26,960
in all of this is that i'm i've made a

1823
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:28,799
lot of money selling companies that spun

1824
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:31,599
out of my lab so i could lose my job

1825
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:34,720
tomorrow and i could be perfectly happy

1826
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,400
um you know but all of those successes

1827
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,240
perhaps maybe a little conceited or

1828
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:42,960
arrogant about what i can do

1829
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,079
um i feel like i can do anything

1830
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,480
so i think that's what we have to get

1831
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,880
across to people and i try to instill in

1832
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,319
my students is

1833
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,640
you can do anything

1834
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:57,359
just say you want to do it

1835
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:01,039
uh and make it your purpose and don't be

1836
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,400
afraid

1837
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:04,559
i mean i've said this before shame

1838
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,680
people use shame to corral society into

1839
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,480
columns and places and boxes

1840
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:14,079
it's like the first thing you hear and

1841
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,520
remember when you're growing up is you

1842
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,279
should be ashamed of yourself

1843
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,560
yeah and it's you know it controls you

1844
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,839
as long as you're not doing something

1845
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,880
unethical don't let anybody shame you

1846
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,120
into doing what you think is right

1847
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,960
and so i think that's

1848
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:30,880
kind of the that's the message that i

1849
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,920
send to people often and then creating a

1850
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,480
safe space which is what

1851
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,799
the media is doing now

1852
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:39,920
and

1853
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:43,120
the government is doing now i mean

1854
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,799
the new

1855
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,159
arrow

1856
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,960
department created a twitter account

1857
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,640
today

1858
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,679
a twitter account i already followed it

1859
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:54,560
right

1860
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,159
yeah

1861
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,839
and so

1862
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,719
you know what could be

1863
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,960
a quicker easier way for me to tell some

1864
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,359
of my colleagues that this is real is to

1865
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:06,560
say

1866
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,159
put a link in an email go look at this

1867
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,319
go look at this

1868
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:14,080
and at the very least what it will do it

1869
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,920
will it will stop that reflexive

1870
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,759
oh it's tin foil

1871
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:21,279
territory

1872
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,159
it'll give people pause

1873
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:25,440
a little bit

1874
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,960
um so you know do i but again at a

1875
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,560
certain point now that the ball is

1876
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:32,880
rolling i don't need really to convince

1877
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:36,960
anybody else enough people are convinced

1878
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,839
that there's money pouring into this

1879
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,839
now and there's scientists starting to

1880
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,120
come on board

1881
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,640
serious scientists starting to come on

1882
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,159
board i've got a nobel prize winner

1883
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:48,640
who's willing to step up and help

1884
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,839
so you know this is it's it's the cat's

1885
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,440
out of the bag

1886
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,679
uh and so it's not going to get stuffed

1887
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:57,120
back in now

1888
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,199
anytime soon um so

1889
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,440
at this point it's like let's stop

1890
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,199
trying to convince other people that

1891
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,800
we're right

1892
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,120
and just do the work or as jacques would

1893
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,760
say quoting a famous physicist

1894
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:14,840
shut up and calculate

1895
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,640
right you know just stop

1896
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,239
worrying about what other people are

1897
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,320
thinking and trying to convince anybody

1898
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,480
of anything yeah because they're not

1899
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,640
convincible they're not convinceable

1900
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,040
i would rather harness people's energies

1901
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,840
to do the work

1902
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,360
i mean when people tell me i can't do

1903
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,120
something i don't sit around

1904
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,080
you know writing screeds about them on

1905
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:40,480
the wall

1906
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:41,840
i

1907
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:47,040
doesn't work don't get mad at yourself

1908
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,270
you know you you coming out is just

1909
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,080
emblematic of how you are you know your

1910
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,640
courage that permeates other areas of

1911
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,320
your life and this

1912
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,480
this is no different um

1913
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,120
let me bring you over to stephanie is it

1914
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,120
miss stephanie you're next right ma'am

1915
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,520
sure sure and i'll just say gary one

1916
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,840
thing that we all have in common with

1917
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:14,159
the stanford professor is none of us

1918
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,320
care about what any one thinks about us

1919
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,880
so same we're all on board with you we

1920
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,440
do not care what anyone thinks of us

1921
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:24,000
we know we know that they're real so

1922
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:25,120
okay

1923
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,199
question for you so now that we have

1924
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,000
established the fact that uap are

1925
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,159
actualized they're real

1926
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,320
they are among us um

1927
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,360
if the theory is true that they

1928
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,920
they being the beings are already among

1929
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,640
us

1930
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,440
what would this mean for the cdc and the

1931
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,320
potential of extraterrestrials disease

1932
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,120
merging among humans

1933
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,679
i'm completely i don't even worry about

1934
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,199
it i mean

1935
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:58,239
i mean they've been

1936
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,440
whatever it is has been here for

1937
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,719
thousands of years tens of thousands of

1938
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,239
years i mean

1939
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:04,320
you know um

1940
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,280
let's just kind of play with some ideas

1941
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:08,400
let's say that they were from another

1942
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,400
planet on the other side of the galaxy

1943
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,640
they evolved under different conditions

1944
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,920
they probably don't even have amino

1945
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:15,520
acids

1946
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:18,159
right so any virus or

1947
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,960
bug that grew there or isn't going to

1948
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,199
see us as a food source

1949
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:24,640
uh

1950
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,679
but if they evolved he

1951
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:30,159
from some prior human species or let's

1952
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,040
say

1953
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,679
you know unbeknownst to us the dinos

1954
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,679
some dinosaurs became

1955
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,640
intelligent and went underground or

1956
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:41,199
flew off somewhere and came back and now

1957
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,000
they're

1958
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,120
old

1959
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,560
uh again

1960
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,400
very little chance of

1961
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:51,360
cross species uh

1962
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,480
jumps

1963
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,040
at that i mean you know stuff happens

1964
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:56,560
cobit happened

1965
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,560
right pangolin and bats you know i but

1966
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,800
i'm not worried about that i would what

1967
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,880
more worry about some i mean if you want

1968
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:06,239
to worry if you want to get yourself

1969
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:09,440
worried about pandemics worry about what

1970
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,400
some

1971
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,400
laboratory if

1972
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,600
you know in a terrorist

1973
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,760
organization is up

1974
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,280
because i can think of a hundred ways to

1975
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,880
make something nasty

1976
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,640
and i'm not even and that's what i'm

1977
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,800
trying

1978
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:27,040
absolutely

1979
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,590
more likely i mean i don't think that

1980
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:35,600
they walk amongst us but maybe they do i

1981
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,080
don't know but um you know i i don't

1982
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:42,320
think that there's

1983
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,840
i mean first of all if they're that

1984
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,520
advanced they've probably conquered

1985
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,880
disease

1986
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:48,000
right

1987
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,679
so they probably aren't carrying

1988
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:52,159
anything in the first place

1989
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,280
great point

1990
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,000
yeah thank you for hearing my question i

1991
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:57,840
appreciate that thank you

1992
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:00,960
dr nolan we have um just over 15 minutes

1993
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,840
left so we'll try to uh get through

1994
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,080
these and uh and get you out of here on

1995
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:08,320
time so that you can quit drinking wine

1996
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,840
and take hold medicine

1997
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:11,440
um but

1998
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,560
anyway

1999
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:15,040
all right so um

2000
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,120
my understanding here uh is that you you

2001
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,000
did uh meet chris bledsoe and and were

2002
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:25,120
witness to an unexplainable experience

2003
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:26,840
and sort of

2004
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:29,920
like oh you have not

2005
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,400
no i i don't think i i mean if i okay if

2006
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,800
i did i think more than once at tim's

2007
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:36,239
house

2008
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,520
uh

2009
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,830
north carolina or somewhere yes i guess

2010
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:45,760
okay

2011
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:49,440
this all wrong my understanding was you

2012
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,880
were on the property or you had an

2013
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:53,520
unexplainable experience while in their

2014
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,920
in their midst or on their property not

2015
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:57,840
not okay so you don't have such an

2016
01:15:03,669 --> 01:14:58,960
experience

2017
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:03,679
oh okay well then i will

2018
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,960
i was go i was gonna uh ask you about

2019
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,000
that but

2020
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,480
uh if not that i did aliens wiped my

2021
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:12,400
memory

2022
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,840
well don't worry i mean this show is

2023
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,000
well aware that during my abduction

2024
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,159
experience i offered for them to do

2025
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,719
tests on me take dna and they said no

2026
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,480
and brought me home so i don't know i

2027
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,800
was i was offended uh i was told that

2028
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,800
before you got abducted you had hair

2029
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:28,640
yeah i did

2030
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:31,120
maybe that's what they took

2031
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,480
that's what it was

2032
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,800
that's what happened

2033
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,480
that's true it was luxurious from what i

2034
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,840
heard yeah

2035
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:41,440
frampton comes alive

2036
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:45,120
anyway all right so then if if i if if

2037
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,400
bledsoe's

2038
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,960
and them is not an example

2039
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:51,280
has there been an experience that you've

2040
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,199
had that has changed you gary

2041
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:58,000
as as a person which manifested itself

2042
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,040
in say

2043
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:01,360
a a more fervent approach to your

2044
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:03,920
research has there been such an event

2045
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,320
throughout everything with uh with

2046
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:08,960
doctor uh investigating with dr posalka

2047
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,679
and and taylor et cetera et cetera has

2048
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:13,840
there been such an event and how did

2049
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:17,040
that and what was the result

2050
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:20,159
i mean the the event that occurred was

2051
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:23,440
coming back from new mexico

2052
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,750
luggage that i was worried about that

2053
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,280
something we had found

2054
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,199
and um

2055
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,199
of course it had to go through security

2056
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:39,360
and i was worried to death about it

2057
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:43,120
and uh as it was as my

2058
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:44,239
uh

2059
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:45,280
backpack

2060
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,800
went into the machine

2061
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,960
the whole machine just shut off

2062
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,719
ah

2063
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,880
and i was like oh my

2064
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:54,400
god

2065
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:55,440
they're gonna

2066
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:59,600
is

2067
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:01,120
and i'm not gonna have an explanation

2068
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:02,560
for it

2069
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,840
and

2070
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:04,880
so

2071
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:06,239
there was like a

2072
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,440
kebab

2073
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,960
going on everybody's like why did this

2074
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:11,440
thing shut off and they you know

2075
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,560
wait there and i said oh my my plane

2076
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,880
and uh you know they

2077
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:18,719
took my bag out and they and they turned

2078
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,760
it on they ran it back through and

2079
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,159
nothing happened that time second time i

2080
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:23,520
made it i

2081
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,120
i was i was sweating i was

2082
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,880
i went in and uh you know diana and tim

2083
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,560
were sitting in the bar having a drink i

2084
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,560
still remember and i just i

2085
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,320
i was just i was just sweating i said i

2086
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:41,110
no i went back and i said jog what you

2087
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:42,640
know what what what do you think what

2088
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,800
could have happened what you know why he

2089
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:47,280
said well he said well maybe your

2090
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,360
intensity turned it off you were so

2091
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,120
worried

2092
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,840
i i don't know it was you know so that

2093
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,239
changed something for me you know i've

2094
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,640
spoken about that event in london that i

2095
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:01,040
had waking up and having

2096
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,000
something

2097
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,640
you know basically speak in my head

2098
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,560
uh

2099
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:08,239
i had an event i think i don't think

2100
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,199
i've ever

2101
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,120
talked about this where i woke up and i

2102
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,880
felt like i was

2103
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,080
you know somewhere out in the middle of

2104
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,280
this of the stars and i looked around

2105
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,520
and i saw i said where am i and i saw i

2106
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,679
said oh that must be where i that must

2107
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,360
be where i am because i was worried that

2108
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,040
i would not be able to get back

2109
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,440
and then i just felt myself going

2110
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,520
right down and i remember specifically

2111
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:30,880
feeling like i was coming down through

2112
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,360
the roof of the house and i woke up

2113
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,040
so that was an event you know was it an

2114
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:38,080
out of body was it a was it just a dream

2115
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,520
i'll never know right

2116
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,679
but i remembered it

2117
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,760
right sure the little people in the

2118
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,800
bedroom i remember them you know there's

2119
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,640
there's nobody who's going to tell me it

2120
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:52,719
didn't happen

2121
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,709
and that blew me away

2122
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:00,800
totally blew me away he you know

2123
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,520
basically had me do one and i was like

2124
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,199
either this was a magician's trick

2125
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,199
extraordinaire

2126
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,120
but i but

2127
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,159
what i saw was

2128
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,239
what he had

2129
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:17,360
randomly predicted to show up 10 minutes

2130
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,320
in the future on his computer

2131
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,199
so and that convinced me but but what

2132
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,719
was cool about that moment was

2133
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,280
realizing that the signal that people

2134
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,040
talk about

2135
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:33,840
has a flavor to it

2136
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,560
there's something different about the

2137
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,760
signal

2138
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,440
than your everyday moments of

2139
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:40,960
consciousness

2140
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:44,080
and so i've begun to recognize that

2141
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:45,199
signal

2142
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,400
when

2143
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,840
let's say moments of intuition

2144
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,040
occur that i know that i should pay

2145
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,760
attention to this because it came from

2146
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:56,400
somewhere else somehow it's it's it's an

2147
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,400
anomalous signal that came from

2148
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,440
somewhere

2149
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,719
and so

2150
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:02,159
you know those are kind of the things

2151
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:03,040
that

2152
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,719
i walk away with and remember

2153
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:08,960
so there's a there's a purpose yeah

2154
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,639
you're you're

2155
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:12,880
there's a that's a drive now that that's

2156
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,719
just you know we found the courage we

2157
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,960
found the the impetus the drive beyond

2158
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,280
just the fact that you're a scientist

2159
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,360
it's very interesting let me pass it to

2160
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:23,440
money nathan please sir

2161
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:26,560
yeah so um let's say that it's uh

2162
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,920
somewhere i've argued that we're already

2163
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,440
here but we're in a post-disclosure

2164
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:30,800
world

2165
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,120
and uh

2166
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,679
you know we have those who

2167
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,159
are experiencers or not experiencers and

2168
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:39,600
or maybe believe themselves to be

2169
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:41,600
experiencers and we have these

2170
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:43,840
sort of physiological biomarkers that we

2171
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:46,400
know of that seem to kind of confirm one

2172
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:49,199
or the other is there any kind of um

2173
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,480
i don't know if this is maybe an ethical

2174
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:52,400
concern or whatnot that the population

2175
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,679
might try to

2176
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,120
you know sort of drive or divide

2177
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,199
themselves between these kinds of groups

2178
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,000
by you know doing like a 23andme

2179
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:01,840
biomarker test you know like that i i

2180
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,840
i'm not or you know have you thought

2181
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:05,840
about that you know the the

2182
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,520
the marvel universe you know uh it has

2183
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:12,000
talked about this sort of thing

2184
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,320
already i mean it's been written about

2185
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,480
in science fiction many times you know

2186
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,760
it's

2187
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,719
uh

2188
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,639
nobody nobody wants to think that

2189
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:21,920
they're about to be replaced by

2190
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,110
you know and so the point would be to

2191
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,280
make sure that nobody thinks you're

2192
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,199
better

2193
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:33,520
right right don't come across as

2194
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,570
condescending okay i'm coming right

2195
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:37,520
[Laughter]

2196
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,229
i think that's the most important thing

2197
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,199
is that you know what divides us

2198
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,719
is people thinking that they're better

2199
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:50,239
than someone else

2200
01:22:03,030 --> 01:21:51,120
right

2201
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,040
now yeah thank you

2202
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,159
uh who's is it kev steph kevin steph and

2203
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,000
we have about

2204
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:11,040
we've got about eight minutes left

2205
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:12,560
all right well i was going to go into

2206
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,280
young and archetypes but yeah we don't

2207
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:17,840
have time to go into jungian archetypes

2208
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,000
so i'll just keep it complicated with

2209
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:21,520
youngin archetypes

2210
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,639
oh you want to go there all right okay

2211
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,880
so here's the thing i noticed that the

2212
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,000
saucer

2213
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:30,560
has changed into a tic tac or into a

2214
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,639
shape of an egg and i think young would

2215
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:35,120
be very very interested in that because

2216
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,360
he was also interested in alchemy so um

2217
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,719
basically

2218
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,800
jung saw the archetype i mean young saw

2219
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,120
the saucer as an archetype of wholeness

2220
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:47,520
so in alchemy the egg stands for

2221
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:50,239
the liberated soul now i'm wondering

2222
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:51,760
if that being said you think that

2223
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:54,719
humanity's needs have changed from

2224
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,719
needing wholeness in unity to one that

2225
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,040
needs liberation and rebirth and this

2226
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,120
phenomenon may be a projection of this

2227
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:04,560
need by the collective unconsciousness

2228
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,600
good i i mean it sounds like a decent

2229
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:09,679
hypothesis to me how would you prove it

2230
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:12,400
though how do we prove that

2231
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,960
that's the archetypes yeah uh yeah it's

2232
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,120
just you gotta look at the past symbols

2233
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,440
you gotta look at your culture you know

2234
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,679
what kind of what you're projecting onto

2235
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,440
what you're seeing there's a lot that

2236
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,960
goes into that

2237
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:26,960
i mean consciousness is a machine

2238
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,159
basically yeah no we we do i mean people

2239
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,760
laugh sometimes about this notion of

2240
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,239
consciousness intent creating the future

2241
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,400
we do it every moment i pick up this

2242
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,639
glass and i change quantum reality by my

2243
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:40,000
intent

2244
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:41,280
um

2245
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,360
actually diana kind of hinted at this in

2246
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,760
in her book with somebody at a at a

2247
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,719
meeting

2248
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,440
um who was claiming that saucers were a

2249
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:53,040
representation of

2250
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,960
male desire to see breasts

2251
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,760
and i just i just blew up

2252
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:01,600
you know that's just you know that's

2253
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:04,880
just so i said wait a second i'm

2254
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,000
i saw such a thing and you know my

2255
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,600
persuasion

2256
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,800
i should have seen something in a

2257
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,239
different shape

2258
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:14,880
you know without being exploited

2259
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,280
right so why do you think you know i

2260
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,800
just it just was so

2261
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,280
it was so condescending to say that

2262
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:22,480
everybody's

2263
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,600
uh

2264
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,280
what they thought they saw was fake and

2265
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,520
it was just their outer manifestation of

2266
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:30,080
their inner sexual frustrations i said

2267
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:32,000
it sounds more like your frustrations

2268
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,440
than anybody else

2269
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:35,600
yes he was projecting for sure

2270
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:38,639
yeah so i mean i i

2271
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:41,280
i mean but kevin to be serious i mean

2272
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,400
this notion of the collective

2273
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,520
unconscious

2274
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,199
creating

2275
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:47,040
what we observe that's right out of

2276
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,639
jacques valet's

2277
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,719
uh thesis

2278
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,560
right that um

2279
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:53,840
you know you

2280
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,239
it gives or what colin kelleher would

2281
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,239
often say it gives you back what you

2282
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,880
what you want what you give it

2283
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:02,400
you want something negative it gives you

2284
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,600
back negative you want something

2285
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,239
positive you get back positive

2286
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,880
you know if you i mean

2287
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:10,639
i i don't know

2288
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,520
it's it's a weird

2289
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:15,280
it it

2290
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,159
it's

2291
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,560
weird because it it creates apparent

2292
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:20,239
synchronicities

2293
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,719
that um are

2294
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,159
i don't know

2295
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,040
just make you sit up and pay notice

2296
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,679
you know the the problem is that it's it

2297
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:32,159
it's it's rife

2298
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,280
here's how i think about it i think it's

2299
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:35,920
sort of like an intelligence test

2300
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:38,880
it's rife for ridicule

2301
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,239
but if you are sufficiently

2302
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,000
observant and smart

2303
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:45,760
you can jump to the conclusion of what

2304
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,679
it is without having to have all of the

2305
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:49,840
data that proves it

2306
01:25:55,270 --> 01:25:52,400
right and so i can know that something

2307
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:55,280
is true without being able to draw a

2308
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,239
mathematical or geometric line between a

2309
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,840
to z

2310
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,840
and so i think that's part of what's

2311
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:04,159
going on here that is like do you know

2312
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,679
what is in front of you and what you're

2313
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,159
seeing

2314
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,040
you know and it draws you forward i mean

2315
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,239
it's very self-congratulatory obviously

2316
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,320
thinking that you know

2317
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,040
we are the chosen etc and it's you know

2318
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,239
it it makes you similarly subject to

2319
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,239
ridicule but

2320
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:26,480
um i don't see it as that i see it as

2321
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,830
um thank you very much for that answer

2322
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,440
we want to get debs in there we've got

2323
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:38,080
about four minutes left so debs go ahead

2324
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,199
my friend

2325
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,440
yep we got a question from our friend

2326
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,440
grant lavock who does research in

2327
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,800
australia his question is do you have

2328
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,560
any thoughts on

2329
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,360
why other countries australia the uk are

2330
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,920
dragging their heels on the uap topic

2331
01:27:03,510 --> 01:26:56,560
and not taking it seriously

2332
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:05,669
well the british i'm i'm was born in

2333
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:09,040
england you know uh we left because of

2334
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,960
the conservative nature i was born in

2335
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:12,000
liverpool

2336
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,679
and uh you know that was kind of like

2337
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,360
you might as well it's like the harlem

2338
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:16,480
of england

2339
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,639
um and uh

2340
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,840
the uh

2341
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:21,920
i think they're just conservative they

2342
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,880
haven't um

2343
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:26,480
you know it's i i just call it

2344
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:28,320
conservatism right i mean they're just

2345
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:30,840
more conservative about this stuff still

2346
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,960
um you know

2347
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:35,840
they they don't have a lou elizon uh or

2348
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,320
uh chris mellon with all the contacts on

2349
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,000
the inside

2350
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:42,320
who are drawing them out

2351
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,199
and

2352
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,280
to be quite honest as well they don't

2353
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:47,280
have the research programs going on that

2354
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,560
we do

2355
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,080
right so they don't have the raw

2356
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,600
material

2357
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:53,360
from which to draw

2358
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,120
somebody who is going to reveal all

2359
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,280
you know we have apparently extensive

2360
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,360
programs that have been going on

2361
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:03,280
right and so lots of potential

2362
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:04,560
whistleblowers

2363
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:05,440
i mean

2364
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,080
congrat those

2365
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,440
whistleblower laws because they just

2366
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,400
wanted to shut lou and chris up

2367
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,560
they wrote them because they have seen

2368
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,480
the data

2369
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:18,400
and it scares the bejesus out of some of

2370
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:19,199
them

2371
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,639
right because they know what it is that

2372
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,400
they're looking at

2373
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,000
and but then they also know that there

2374
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,920
are people there there's lots of people

2375
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,560
there able to come forward maybe

2376
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:31,040
britain was just too poor

2377
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,880
so britain proved that you weren't poor

2378
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,280
prove that you weren't behind the eight

2379
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,000
ball on all of this

2380
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,239
australia proved that you had what it

2381
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,719
took to do a study

2382
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,880
or

2383
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,960
stop saying no

2384
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,719
that's how i say i always challenge

2385
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,800
people of you know i think that's the

2386
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:54,560
way to do it

2387
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,239
uh so i just don't think they had the

2388
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,760
research programs

2389
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,880
and therefore

2390
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:00,159
there's nobody to tell anything there's

2391
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,199
nobody on the inside to tell parliament

2392
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:05,120
that they had the the research was going

2393
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:07,280
on and there was something real

2394
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:08,880
we have lots of people

2395
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:12,159
stepping forward and telling them

2396
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:18,310
as critical as they are of of our

2397
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:19,600
government and there's a lot to be

2398
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:20,880
critical of

2399
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,679
um

2400
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:23,280
they've we've done more than anybody

2401
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,199
else so whatever country you are you're

2402
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,120
not doing more so

2403
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:29,120
brazil is probably the closest but

2404
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,800
anyway um really quickly

2405
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:34,000
in chile

2406
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,560
um really quickly um

2407
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,120
the one with uh the two children that

2408
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:40,800
jacques valet talked about i guess they

2409
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:44,719
went up in a craft and and came out of

2410
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,800
the craft but came with a piece of

2411
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,960
material that you suspect was then

2412
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:50,320
replaced by

2413
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,110
right that's uh well that's the trinity

2414
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:01,920
event um and uh

2415
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,560
they didn't go up in the craft they went

2416
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:07,440
into the supposed an alleged downed

2417
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,960
craft correct which was on a flat bed i

2418
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:12,480
think at the time

2419
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,520
um

2420
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,360
and uh

2421
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:17,040
it was if i remember correctly was

2422
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:19,120
sitting

2423
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,550
or with the piece um and i've had the

2424
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:25,840
piece here at my house and we've

2425
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:28,080
examined it on every which way from

2426
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,679
sunday and it it

2427
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:31,199
for the life of me it doesn't look like

2428
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,960
anything exotic

2429
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:34,719
it looks like something somebody just

2430
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,310
got it

2431
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,000
um you know there have been people

2432
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:44,159
who've said that they found angel hairs

2433
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:46,639
and and stuff on them and i've looked at

2434
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,239
those angel hairs and it looks like

2435
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,920
nylon fibers from whatever it is they

2436
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,080
wrapped the thing in

2437
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,880
i'd love it to be something amazing

2438
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:57,600
it's not as far as i can tell

2439
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,960
you know i would love it

2440
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,360
but there's plenty of amazing stuff that

2441
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:03,360
i know exists so that's the stuff that

2442
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:04,960
we're trying to get

2443
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:05,920
uh

2444
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:08,800
permission to get out

2445
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:10,800
by all means i hope you do and i know

2446
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:13,040
the community shares that hope uh let's

2447
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:14,480
start we're gonna start our round of

2448
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:25,750
and as soon as she comes off a mute

2449
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:26,629
hi there

2450
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:29,840
it has been a pleasure listening to your

2451
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:32,000
thoughts on all of these

2452
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,120
you know

2453
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,880
questions that we have for you and i

2454
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:37,120
mean you are the perfect person to ask

2455
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,040
the questions too so thank you for your

2456
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,199
information it's been a pleasure and i

2457
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,760
hope to see you again on the next show

2458
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:45,280
we will

2459
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,560
awesome thank you ebbs

2460
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,320
i wanted to thank you for your own

2461
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,960
personal financial sacrifices with this

2462
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:54,480
i know you've spent a lot of money on

2463
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,440
this and also for your availability to

2464
01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,840
us the fact that i was able to ever talk

2465
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:02,159
to you like you're just so accessible

2466
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,480
and friendly so thank you we greatly

2467
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:07,199
appreciate that and your open-mindedness

2468
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:13,910
job i appreciate it

2469
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:16,880
you sir are my new hero

2470
01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:19,360
that's that's all i want to say i mean

2471
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:21,280
i had you paid for a nuts and bolts

2472
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,840
person but you're you kind of are but

2473
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,600
it the machine your machine is the human

2474
01:32:29,350 --> 01:32:27,920
body so really we're interested in the

2475
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,360
same thing

2476
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:31,360
you're you're my hero i just thank you

2477
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,950
and

2478
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:38,719
the money man

2479
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:41,199
yeah thank you so much um you know i

2480
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:42,560
think about the hitchhiker effect and

2481
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,560
how we think about that negatively

2482
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,000
but i think about

2483
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:48,159
these moments as a positive

2484
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,239
hitchhiker effect these are moments

2485
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:52,480
where we're sharing ideas and and our

2486
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,800
search for for truth and and they kind

2487
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:57,280
of activate nodes in the network right

2488
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,320
and other

2489
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:00,719
folks come into the story and and be an

2490
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,719
active player so thank you so much for

2491
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,080
just playing the part that you play in

2492
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:05,679
this and uh and we look forward to

2493
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:07,120
seeing what comes out of your continued

2494
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:08,480
research

2495
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:09,840
thank you

2496
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:17,520
i said earlier your courage and your

2497
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:20,639
determination your dog determination

2498
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:22,960
looking for answers in a scientific way

2499
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:26,320
and championing the truth and not

2500
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,000
allowing yourself to be uh bullied by

2501
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:32,639
uh people that that uh want to change

2502
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:34,400
the narrative in the direction that's

2503
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,920
gonna gain them popularization you know

2504
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,520
uh to become more popular and gain

2505
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:41,600
followers and stuff so i think that

2506
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,199
that's amazing

2507
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,920
and uh you ask yourself it

2508
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,199
before

2509
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,120
you asked that question when it was just

2510
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:51,120
the three of us on air you know what

2511
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:53,199
made you come on here i hope now that uh

2512
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,280
you realize why that was

2513
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,280
and it was an absolute honor to speak

2514
01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:59,040
with you thank you very much

2515
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:01,360
namaste

2516
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:02,560
and on behalf

2517
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,080
it's a great it's a great forum okay

2518
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,800
signing off yeah

2519
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:09,920
all right

2520
01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:13,120
for dr gary nolan uh for staff for dab

2521
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:15,679
for kevin and for money nathan this is

2522
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,320
dj saying peace out one love we'll see

2523
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,159
you down the road and remember we're

2524
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,920
always wondering what's up around the

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bend

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peace